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Self Interest vs. Morality in Thucydides

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This paper considers the possibility of a more complex relationship between justice and self-interest in Thucydides, which are usually thought to comprise an anithetical pair. I consider some of the arguments for the self-interest of morality in Thucydides and argue that they may themselves be moral arguments.

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Thucydides, justice, expediency, morality, self-interest
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Charney, Evan. "Self Interest vs. Morality in Thucydides" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the American Political Science Association, Hilton Chicago and the Palmer House Hilton, Chicago, IL, Sep 02, 2004 <Not Available>. 2009-05-26 <http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p59135_index.html>

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Abstract: This paper considers the possibility of a more complex relationship between justice and self-interest in Thucydides, which are usually thought to comprise an anithetical pair. I consider some of the arguments for the self-interest of morality in Thucydides and argue that they may themselves be moral arguments.

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1 "Self-Interest v. Morality in Thucydides sEvan Charney Duke University Prepared for delivery at the 2004 Annual Meeting of the American Political Science Association September 2 - September 5 2004. Copyright by the American Political Science Association." 2 Self Interest v. Morality in Thucydides Evan Charney Thucydides' History both in the speeches and narrative is characterized by a number of well-known oppositions: that between "word" (logos) and "deed" (ergon) between "nature" (phusis) and "convention" (nomos) between "intelligence" (gnom )
the torturer.7 Finally consider an exchange between Senator Biden and Attorney General Aschroft in hearings regarding Justice Department memos that torture may be justified: Biden: "There's a reason why we sign these treaties: to protect my son in the military. That's why we have these treaties so when Americans are captured they are not tortured. That's the reason in case anybody forgets it." To this we may compare the comment of the Melians that by destroying principles of right


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